george oppen in conversation with eric homberger http://jacket2.org/commentary/george-oppen-conversation-eric-homberger-university-east-anglia-may-7-1973 _
fourcade + bernstein Dominique Fourcade and Charles Bernstein in conversation on modernism, abstraction, & Stein here: http://jacket2.org/commentary/dominique-fourcade-and-charles-bernstein-conversation-modernism-abstraction-stein _